Complains about 300.

[Pada V4.5]

1) immortal swords are twice so long as they look like.
2) why the **** persian archers have a pump action shotgun?
3) what the **** is the big round thing what spartans have in their left hands? Its definitely not a shield, because with a shield you can block bolts.
4) there was only 1 uber guy in the moovie, and he didnt make shockwaves. or did he?
5) fix that damnit rock on which the persian cowards are camping! remove it or make a way to get on it for spartans too
6) spartans where defending not atacking. the argument that they cant win is bs! They did win, a tactical win, their objective was to delay the persians so that they can prepare for war. Make it so that spartans win by time.
7) if the persians win by time than they need to be slower than spartans because there is no objective on the map.

[Kazi]

8. You have to be a spectator if there is too many Spartans. Even a melee Spartan would be better than spectator.

[UnsungHero]

In response to 8, one of those brute greek (???) dudes could be a soldier class.

[Methyldioxymethamphetamin]

No kazi, the idea is to encourage more persians :p

Although acadians would be okay to put in there too.

[Tallfire]

The people of Sparta were Arcadian. Not to offend but the battle field didn't look like that. They were at a clift side where the Persians could only go in one by one. The map is portrayed as an area that the entire persian army could fit in. I think that the field should be narrow with the wall on the right removed and made the clift side and a curve whree the persians come out of..

[WorldsLargestIpod]

In response to 8, one of those brute greek (???) dudes could be a soldier class.

Thebian and Thespian Allies, Plus a few Helot Slaves.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

The people of Sparta were Arcadian. Not to offend but the battle field didn't look like that. They were at a clift side where the Persians could only go in one by one. The map is portrayed as an area that the entire persian army could fit in. I think that the field should be narrow with the wall on the right removed and made the clift side and a curve whree the persians come out of..

oday, the pass is not near the sea but is inland due to infilling of the Gulf of Malis. The old track appears at the foot of hills around the plain, flanked by a modern road. Recent core samples indicate that the pass was only 100 meters wide and the waters came up to the gates. Says Lyn Dore: "Little do the visitors realize that the battle took place across the road from the monument."[60] The pass still is a natural defensive position to modern armies and British Commonwealth forces in World War II made another defense against the Nazi invasion meters from the original battle field.

*update; SORRY i didn't mean to double post... i thought i was editing my old one; there is no delete thread option up yet*

[GRIMMAH!!]

imo the win on time should be given to the spartans. they're the "few" :/

[Plasma]

1) immortal swords are twice so long as they look like.

Same as any other sword.[/QUOTE]

2) why the **** persian archers have a pump action shotgun?

They don't?

3) what the **** is the big round thing what spartans have in their left hands? Its definitely not a shield, because with a shield you can block bolts.

You can block bolts but you have very low FP so you can't just sit there and block everything, move about a bit.

4) there was only 1 uber guy in the moovie, and he didnt make shockwaves. or did he?

Yes there is, no he didn't. I added the shockwaves so he'd be a bit different rather than another cloned class with a melee weapon.

5) fix that damnit rock on which the persian cowards are camping! remove it or make a way to get on it for spartans too

Known will be fixed in version 2 of the map pack.

6) spartans where defending not atacking. the argument that they cant win is bs! They did win, a tactical win, their objective was to delay the persians so that they can prepare for war. Make it so that spartans win by time.

No.

7) if the persians win by time than they need to be slower than spartans because there is no objective on the map.

They are, the Persian main class is soldier.


Now just have to ask, was there any need to come in here ef'ing and blinding about this?

[Mango]

Like a lot of people said, the map should be more on a cliffside like in the movie, and like it was when it actually took place, and it needs to be way more narrow..

[Plasma]

I watched the movie the other day and noticed that, when I was making this I wasn't really going be any refs I just through something together.

Its not high on my list but I'll eventually get round to doing it more movie like, I'd prefer to do more SW stuff at the moment.

[Tallfire]

I just want to say, there were alot of uber immortals in the movie. Only one was seen in combat.

[-HolyAngel-]

Call them the "Persian Berserker".
Uber immortal sounds Germanicly retarded

[Plasma]

It's what they're called in the movies, so no.

[Honk]

I'm just going to say that I agree with a lot of the OP's points.

It's not that 300_Thermopylae isn't a fun map, it just feels like it wasn't planned out.

[jedib1]

didnt the uber have a axe but he lost it somehow.. wouldnt they have given him a weapon?

[Fats]

he took a axe of a persian and lobbed it at Leo and then proceeded to batter leo with a sword (was it leos ?) but immortals had dual wield..D;

[DaveGrohl]

Level 3 defence for spartas!

Immortals have lvl 3 defence. Spartans killed the immortals in the movie. Spartas only have lvl 2 defence.


And possibly longer reach for spear.

[AlphaFA]

Level 3 defence for spartas!

Immortals have lvl 3 defence. Spartans killed the immortals in the movie. Spartas only have lvl 2 defence.
And possibly longer reach for spear.
Spear should be used for defense (Lundge) and yes, I guess it needs a longer reach.

But in the Movie 'some' spartans were killed by immortals, more than the regular Persians killed anyway.

[DaveGrohl]

and some immortals, well all the immortals were killed by the spartans even tho the immortals where ment to be the est of the best, elite undying guys and the spartans kicked their ass

[DaveGrohl]

My bad it seems immortals have lvl 2 defence as well

[Pada V4.5]

Give immos defense 1, and perhaps moore lives and slots.

[Tallfire]

I personally think that the Spartans should have like the red and yellow style instead of duals. I dont think someone would try to hit someone with their shield that much. Also I think that the Spartans should be more defencive, like have defence 3 and attack 1 or 2. Have you tried to do the gloat (I think) or flourish with the Spartans? The end stance at the end would be perfect for the shields. Also, didn't the Persians have shields too in the movie?

[Fats]

historically immortals used sheilds and not dual wield katanas >.< but they were pieces of crap..like Wicker sheilds or sumthing and the standard would of probably had the same material for their sheilds.

[prilladog]

I don't see what the giant fuss is about i mean 300 wasn't even accuratly correct...

I mean Fats is right the Immortals did have wicker shields. The immortals wern't all inbred and they wernt dressed in black or wore fancy masks, basically all they were was a special unit of men that wore a black shroud over their face as so you couldnt see who it was, and as soon as a member died, other man took his place from the standard army, thus making it look like its members never died.

See? History channel isnt just about WW2...

[Ender]

...No one said 300 was historically accurate. The point however is that the map is based on the movie, much like how the movie was based on the graphic novel.

If you want historically accurate, then request or make a real Thermopylae FA.

[Victin Halcyon]

I don't see what the giant fuss is about i mean 300 wasn't even accuratly correct...

I mean Fats is right the Immortals did have wicker shields. The immortals wern't all inbred and they wernt dressed in black or wore fancy masks, basically all they were was a special unit of men that wore a black shroud over their face as so you couldnt see who it was, and as soon as a member died, other man took his place from the standard army, thus making it look like its members never died.

See? History channel isnt just about WW2...
If you're picking at the historical accuracy of the film, then you've missed the point.

[a Douchebag]

Would it be possible to give Spartans a one time throwable spear? That after they throw they have to fall back on swords?

And I suggest adding a hack point for the Persians behind the Spartan spawn point, make Spartans win on time and Persians win by hacking that node.

[prilladog]

It's a fun map I don't understand why all your people take it so seriously.

Go play DOTF.

Also I don't think I ever remember in the entire film a Persian hacking a wall?

[Axehel]

Funny, I don't remember there being more than one uber immortal, I also don't remember him hitting the ground and making **** load of people fly, i also don't remember close range archers and persians camping a rock.

Shall I continue?

[Mashirafen]

Funny, I don't remember there being more than one uber immortal, I also don't remember him hitting the ground and making **** load of people fly, i also don't remember close range archers and persians camping a rock.

Shall I continue?

It is funny to see the Spartans make a ladder to get up there and kill them though.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

1) immortal swords are twice so long as they look like.

I have issues with this as well. Imortals are given Katana weapons [Which simply isn’t accurate, Katana’s not only were not found in this region of the world, they weren’t even invented in japan at this time. I recommend giving immortals short Swords. The problem is that the Spartans are equipt with a short called a Xiphos [pronounced Zih-Fose] which was intended for when their spears broke or when the enemy fleed. [It’s easier to persue enemies with short swords since they are lighter] The issue with the xiphos in this game is that it doesn’t compare to the katana since the attack ratings are generally the same. [Especially when you play as a competent immortal and use parrying to slaughter the Spartans with ease] Giving Spartans yellow stance might help them a little.

2) The only other option is a projectile rifle. It’s meant to be a bow and arrow. In my opinion, the best way to recreate Persian mede archers Is, instead of making a class, have a Persian officer class that has special hacking abilites. He can hack different Persian flags located at the Persian spawn point that cause arrows to fall from the sky. [Like a ‘volley of arrows’ command]


3) Nice satire…. Spartans are given rather poor defending ability because the Persians have hardly any shots for their arrows; in reality

4) You are asking for authenticity? Go to hell! I agree with you, imo there should only be 1 of these guys, and he should be powerful.

5) AYE! In reality those cliffs should be deeper and perhaps have water beneath then.

6) The Moviebattles team made an argument against this… It’s true that in the movie the Spartans were attacking [Well… What happened was that they kept pushing Persian armies back into the cliffs after they invaded] In general, the Spartans were defending, but to lower the enemy’s morale they might have moved forward a little bit; but since this is the MOVIE map pack, and not the REALISTIC HISTORICAL BATTLE map pack, I am afraid that attacking Spartans are legitimate.

7) A major problem I noticed too.

[Azuvector]

REALISTIC HISTORICAL BATTLE

....you fail for using those words in a manner that remotely suggests that '300' might be considered even vaguely reminiscent of one.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

....you fail for using those words in a manner that remotely suggests that '300' might be considered even vaguely reminiscent of one.

You're right, especially after i went and compared the differences between the film and rl.

[LewsTherin]

The only problem i find with this map is that spear spartans **** the ubers

[prilladog]

The only problem i find with this map is that spear spartans **** the ubers

Not really I think you'll find that the Immortals would have ganked all the spearmen before they get a chance too.

I love the Desann/spear stab they do, makes it easy for the back stab :D

[LewsTherin]

Anyone else found the weighted companion cube?

[Aezeroth]

Immortals are stronger than the Spartans I think.

[Plasma]

Immortals are stronger than the Spartans I think.

They're the same but with different saber stances.

[Light_Side]

saber stances makes things sh*t coz tavion saber stance vs. yellow stance is quite unbalanced i suggest make them both in a SAME stance.

and about archers i suggest give spartans alot fp as u can (so they can defend arrows/bolts) and give archers more ammo (so their shoots will be pointless as more they shoot spartans will defend)

about shield...

it srsly needs a better coding well u know skin is not everything

[Plasma]

saber stances makes things sh*t coz tavion saber stance vs. yellow stance is quite unbalanced i suggest make them both in a SAME stance.

and about archers i suggest give spartans alot fp as u can (so they can defend arrows/bolts) and give archers more ammo (so their shoots will be pointless as more they shoot spartans will defend)

about shield...

it srsly needs a better coding well u know skin is not everything

Right ... I'm going to go with no.

[prilladog]

and about archers i suggest give spartans alot fp as u can (so they can defend arrows/bolts) and give archers more ammo (so their shoots will be pointless as more they shoot spartans will defend)

If your going to make the Spartans be immortal towards the arrows (Excuse the pun) and having the archers themsleves be "Pointless" why even leave them in the game?

BTW I think you will find that the Spartans died to the Archers...

[WorldsLargestIpod]

Imo the option of an arrow volley would be better off as something that is triggered in the map, not by players. That way you can actually have arrows that blot out the sun.

[prilladog]

That would be epic FPS lag to be honest, yeah it would be cool but...It won't happen.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

That would be epic FPS lag to be honest, yeah it would be cool but...It won't happen.

i'm not talking producing thousands of reskinned blaster shots to represent arrows. I'm talking more about spawning a damage feild with arrow volley image for sections of the map.

[Plasma]

It wouldn't hurt the FPS really, you can put a texture on a patch and make the shader move the arrow texture to make it look like there are loads raining down.

I have never like the idea though tbh.

[Mr. Box]

How about make the bows to be nades instead of blasters, and change it so it actually works like an projectile arrow. (No detonation timer, bouncing or explosion, maybe a little throw boost so you cant just 'drop' them into the spartan face)
I dont know about modelling anything, so i dont know if you can make a nade look like a bow.

[Plasma]

It would look like you're throwing a bow so no.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

Then you are better off getting rid of the bowmen, because they look like crap; unless of course you maybe add a CFL for projectile rifles to behave more like bows [Animation / trajectory] Then technically you could also use that CFL for Ewoks as well.

[Mr. Box]

... Yeah, of course they will be throwing the bows... They keep the arrows in the hand instead :|

[Pada V4.5]

T21 is a much more bow like than bowcaster. An evok in endor uses an reskinned T21 as bow, and i think its the best weapon to use for a bow.

[prilladog]

Why not just use the animations and models from the medieval battles crossbow?

[=Someone=]

Why not just use the animations and models from the medieval battles crossbow?
It's not possible to freely select anims (or gun stances) in FA; besides, the persian used bows, a medieval crossbow would just look unfitting.

[prilladog]

True, but to be honest I think a working crossbow would look a hell of alot better than a incorrectly held bow firing invisible arrows which then turn red.

ALSO

Sometimes my persian is holding the wookie catser, how is that more fitting?

[=Someone=]

Sometimes my persian is holding the wookie catser, how is that more fitting?
You realize your opinion doesn't hold much value if you can't even tell the difference between a free decision and a bug...

[WorldsLargestIpod]

It's not possible to freely select anims (or gun stances) in FA; besides, the persian used bows, a medieval crossbow would just look unfitting.

So do magical self loading fire bows. :D

no offense.

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on another note, someone may have brought this up before, but the reason the spartans are so terrible is also because of stances. Yellow stance is THE perfect stance, it can kill most enemies in one strike, and has enough range and speed that basically makes it the end all of combat, Tavion stance is only slightly faster but lacks the range, and desann stance lets you hit a yellow stance user once while they hit [and kill you] 3 times. What makes persians and immortals so powerfull is with yellow stance, they can easilly outrange spartans who use green and cyan stances; and any idiot can parry with yellow stance, parrying with green or cyan is not as easy [also because of range]

You can easilly bring victory for the spartans by giving them yellow stance; doing that would basically make everything else unnecessary.

[UL-532]

Maybe just to clarify for iPod (or anyone else confused), cyan, which is blue-green color, is Tavion. Purple is Desann.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

Maybe just to clarify for iPod (or anyone else confused), cyan, which is blue-green color, is Tavion. Purple is Desann.

I know that, sorry i used it interchangeably.

[prilladog]

You realize your opinion doesn't hold much value if you can't even tell the difference between a free decision and a bug...

Fine agreed, now explain the other part.

[Plasma]

Fine agreed, now explain the other part.

I'm going to keep it how it is, that's all that needs to be said.

Pointless back and forth when the bow will stay like it is.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

You might want to consider changing the background music to "oh fortuna, plango vulnera" from Carmina Burana. B/c the 300 theme song sounds cheesy.

[Teelos]

You might want to consider changing the background music to "oh fortuna, plango vulnera" from Carmina Burana. B/c the 300 theme song sounds cheesy.

Blasphemy! 300 theme song is epic. And 'Oh fortuna' is in no way fitting for a film of this genre and style, particularly when listening to it ingame.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

Blasphemy! 300 theme song is epic. And 'Oh fortuna' is in no way fitting for a film of this genre and style, particularly when listening to it ingame.

Are you kidding?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xCB6-h3wbs

[Teelos]

Not at all, Fortuna is not in the film, and from that Youtube remix I still do not like the music with 300 video. I just dont find it suitable. And for a game, the current 300 music is fast paced and musically resembles battle, Fortuna would ruin the ambience of the map.

[WorldsLargestIpod]

Not at all, Fortuna is not in the film, and from that Youtube remix I still do not like the music with 300 video. I just dont find it suitable. And for a game, the current 300 music is fast paced and musically resembles battle, Fortuna would ruin the ambience of the map.

i disagree with you completely, but when a moviebattles team member actually has an 'opinion' on something, arguing it is at moot point.

[Jedihunter]

Alternatively you could just replace the music clientside and forget what everyone else thinks.

Personally I turn the music off, myself- I find Led Zeppelin is much more effective in helping any ownage sprees I happen to have.

[Tallfire]

Not at all, Fortuna is not in the film, and from that Youtube remix I still do not like the music with 300 video. I just dont find it suitable. And for a game, the current 300 music is fast paced and musically resembles battle, Fortuna would ruin the ambience of the map.

Does the song "Enter Star Wolf" have anything to do with Star Wars? No, but I like to listen to it. Does the theme song for Battle Star: Galactica have anything to do with a moon base under raid by Rebel troops? No but the map maker thought it would be nice. Or the song for Delta Prime.

[Plasma]

Current music is fine if you dislike it then just make a replacement.

[Tallfire]

I'm not saying we should change it (unless a single person wants to make a replacement), I'm just saying that theres nothing wrong with choosing music for a different series.

[Pada V4.5]

And we say that there is nothing wrong with the current music.